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Missional Misgivings, or Missional Misunderstandings?

scoreboard.jpg Dan Kimball says at Out of Ur today that “Small, indigenous churches are getting lots of attention, but where’s the fruit?”

My first thought was that we’d seen this before, a year ago when Mark Driscoll said pretty much the same thing, to which I responded about measuring converts, and based on that, David Fitch explains why he misses the point. So I thought we’d already addressed this — and I thought Dan Kimball should know better. And maybe he does… because he’s got a point.

Allow me to highlight a few points of departure from and agreement with Dan’s position.

Emergent Terminology: It’s Not About Fracturing

fragmenting-cube.jpg Yesterday I wrote the introduction to this post, which ended up being about as long as the next bit that contained the important stuff I wanted to say, so I split it up. Feel free to start yesterday, then continue on below, which is about the whole mess of misunderstanding over networks that are not called Emergent.

Measuring Converts in Simple / House / Missional Churches

churchpews.jpg First it was Mark Driscoll saying, “And all the nonsense of emerging, and Emergent, and new monastic communities, and, you know, all of these various kinds of ridiculous conversations — I’ll tell you as one on the inside, they don’t have converts. The silly little myth, the naked emperor is this: they will tell you it’s all about being in culture to reach lost people, and they’re not.” Then recently I found a post asking if it was End of the House Church? This from another insider, who notes, “I am beginning to wonder if the ‘reemergence’ of the House Church Movement that has happened in the last three or four years has stopped before it really got going? The reason I wonder this is because in the four years of being in organic Church nothing much seems to be different in regards to numbers and the vibe I am getting around the place from way back in 2004.

Random Acts of Linkage #28

Calendar September hacks and gasps its last for this year, and it’s been quite a week in the blogs… but I’ve set aside quite a few that have nothing to do with you-know-who talking about you-know-what. Okay, there are a couple in there… and I’ve saved a good clincher for the end. Also have lots of book mentions in here as well for those who need more reading material. If you only come by here weekly, I think almost every post I’ve done this week has had some significant discussion around it, and it’s not too late to jump in. I certainly feel like I’ve written a lot, but I’m not the only one who’s said noteworthy stuff this week. So then, on with the linkage!

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