Comments on: Reinterpreting the Lakeland Fallout

By: Rob Grayson

Rob Grayson — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:54:12 +0000

Sorry – I meant to say “potted biography”, of course!

By: Rob Grayson

Rob Grayson — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:51:37 +0000

I enjoyed reading your insightful thoughts – so thanks.

One of the things that strikes me about those who today claim to be apostles but seem to exhibit primarily controlling rather than caring behaviour is the very fact that they loudly proclaim themselves to be apostles. I can’t imagine that true apostle Paul proudly introducing himself as an apostle whenever he had the chance. I can imagine him introducing himself as a servant of Christ, while humbly recognizing his apostolic ministry as and when appropriate and necessary.

I think in particular of a well-known and somewhat controversial leader here in France. Wherever you see his potter biography, you will read that he was “consecrated to the apostolic ministry” on such and such a date – whatever that means.

Surely what makes one an apostle is when one is recognized to behave in an apostolic way (I realize that needs lots of unpacking, but you can see what I’m getting at) – not simply the fact that one decides to advertise oneself as being such.

Rob

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By: M.joshua

M.joshua — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:57:31 +0000

I’m noticing the trend in apostleship is easily muddled and fleeting. No matter what, any true apostle looks like Jesus, the servant who washed his disciple’s feet. I know a guy that oversees my church network for the whole USA. I’ve seen him volunteer to clean the church building that’s his home church and restack chairs when he thought nobody was watching. And when he’s at my ministry school (endorsed by C. Peter Wagner), this unnamed apostle actually looks to me for leadership since I’m an assistant to the director. He’s shown me in word and deed what a true apostle looks like:

A humble servant

And this version of leadership looks like a pyramid upside down, where everybody “under you” is actually above you in terms of value and priority. So the new/pre believers are in a sense at the top of the list.

By: Lainie Petersen

Lainie Petersen — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:51:03 +0000

Amen and amen.

The notion of a “professional” organization for apostles is just so very strange. What’s next, government licensing?