For numerologically-interpretive charismatics, “6” is the number of man. I just thought you’d want to know that. So evidently it’s time for a cleanup of the charismatic movement where it has been fueled by the ideas of men rather than the will of God and acts of the Holy Spirit. You know what I’m talking about.
Dan Edelen is starting a series ([1] [[2]) on “Cleansing the Charismatic Crackup,” and I thought I’d interact a little. Part of his posts includes a list of problems and solutions, and this is the part I will take a look at — you’ll still need to read his posts to get the full thrust of his argument. Here’s what he’s got so far:
Problem: In our rush to regain a proper pneumatology, today’s charismatics abandoned a proper Christology.
Solution: We need to get the focus back on Jesus.
Before I left my (charismatic) CLB, my wife and I held a conversation with some good friends. The four of us had been leaders and more recently had been spending time talking about some of the ills we saw and attempting to encourage one another on a path of endurance. One of us finally said something like, “You know, I really miss Jesus.” The statement really resonated, and we began to spend time together in the gospels — particularly the Sermon on the Mount. My experience of the charismatic movement is that it acknowledges and tends to preach that the Holy Spirit (and “everything”) points to Jesus… but the preaching is more often from the epistles or select Old Testament passages. It stands to reason, though, that if “everything” points to Jesus, we ought to take as close a look at him as we can in the gospels so that we will more easily recognize what does and doesn’t point to or exhibit the characteristics of Jesus.
Problem: Too much of the charismatic movement is self-centered. People rush around looking for a spiritual fix for selfish reasons. Too many are obsessed with more power. Too many leaders lack even the most basic humility.
Solution: Get the cross back into the picture.
I’ve been uncomfortable with images of the cross in the charismatic movement, as it tends to get wrapped up in the idea of personal sacrifice and “laying it on the altar.” What we’re really talking about is selflessness, which is sorely needed. It is true that many (not all) charismatic leaders can exhibit an arrogance that is falsely taken as confidence or faith. I said in conversation essentially that power takes a second place to dialogue and relationship, which is outward-focused. There are a lot of “bless-me” charismatics running around looking for the latest word or prayer ministry from the latest prophet or evangelist or whoever. An outward focus is imperative as the movement needs to learn to bless others rather than merely those within the movement.
Problem: The movement is awash is Old Testament rituals or theology that were fulfilled in Jesus.
Solution: Get back to the New Testament and its New Covenant.
I’m not convinced by this, for two reasons. First, the Old Testament and the New Testament are not in conflict as though one can make an either/or choice between the two, but one need always remember the gracious incarnation of Christ in understanding the two. Second, the issue is really one of hermeneutics, where the Old Testament is inappropriately allegorized or spiritualized or somehow reinterpreted to mean something new and completely foreign to the original hearers. Rampant types and shadows interpretation has to go — you can theologize pretty much anything that way, and pass it off as scripture. It’s scripture all right, but it doesn’t say what is often being purported. We’ve already mentioned the necessity of the gospels, which would be a good corrective here as well.
Problems: Discernment of any kind is sorely lacking at all levels within the movement. Many charismatic teachers craft entire theologies from disconnected or lone passages of Scripture.
Solution: Build a holistic worldview by teaching the Bible from cover to cover, not from topic to topic.
Here again, this is more a problem of hermeneutics rather than discernment. Well, perhaps in a few cases there’s some attendant lack of common sense. The movement does have notable responsible scholars within it, but there are also a number of untrained pastors and teachers who attempt to take their teaching uncritically from dubious sources of all types and pass it along. Dipping into pet passages is an all too common practice (see above) which could be corrected by using the Lectionary, if they could understand that doing so does, in fact, not limit the Holy Spirit.
Problems: Too many charismatics are more interested in what they can get than what they can give. Also, we love to talk about taking dominion over the kingdom of darkness, but we forget the primary means by which we cripple the Enemy’s purposes.
Solution: We need to be drilled on the Great Commission.
This has been mentioned above as selflessness and being outward-focused. Bringing in the Great Commission is my segue to say that a missional approach to one’s neighbours would go a long way toward making the necessary adjustment.
Problem: The charismatic movement is a cult–of celebrity.
Solution: Time for the old guard, who failed to guard what they were entrusted with, to get off the stage.
There really is no place for celebrity and for pedestal-sitting by those who are the annointed vessel of the hour. Humility, please. These leaders should be more concerned with integrity and respect than with fame and glory.
Problem: We let the miraculous enthrall us.
Solution: We need to be more discerning and less surprised by the miraculous.
I wold love to be unsurprised by the miraculous because of its ubiquity… but we just aren’t there. On the other hand, a proper response would be to worship God rather than be excited about the miracle itself. The miracle is the testimony, not the object of which is being testified. Let it all point to God, and catch those who are not so oriented and redirect their gaze.
Problem: The charismatic movement is obsessed with novelty.
Solution: We must understand that there is nothing new under the sun.
This novelty seems to crop up in new teachings or in new methods which get copied. We haven’t seen the widespread adoption of drop-kicking people to bring them healing, but there are smaller quirks that are transferred or copied. I sat in a meeting one time where one person was shaking in a certain characteristic way — I leaned over to the leader beside me and said, “Let me guess, [noted leader] prayed for him, right?” His response was a smile and a happy nod. Things that seem to work for one person or are quirks of their own personality are no formula for healing or blessing. There’s no need to copy it word-for-word and gesture-for-gesture. The movement would do well to consider the tried-and-true non-formulaic rich heritage of the Christian church, rediscovering some of the habits and practices which have been spiritual disciplines for centuries.
Problem: We continue to tolerate the aberrations of the past, the worst excesses of the charismatic movement, digging them up repeatedly for each new generation after they were long buried.
Solution: It’s time to grow up and face today. In many cases, the good old days weren’t all that good. Wrong doesn’t get right over time.
It’s time to become post-charismatic… and there’s no better reason than the one Dan has given to take note of Robbymac’s book, Post-Charismatic? (US residents need to purchase through Amazon.ca). I know I’ve said a lot about this book, but I really believe in what Rob has written. His research provides a movement-by-movement discussion of charismatic lessons that should be heeded. Time and again some “corrective” or new emphasis that is good is sought, but goes into error at some point along the way. Understanding what has typically thrown charismatic movements off the rails will be instructive for creating boundaries to keep on the track now.
Considering the list of problems and correctives, it seems to me they boil down to three primary concerns:
(1) A lack of humility, coupled with a focus on the man and the miracle.
(2) A lack of balanced grounding in Scripture using standard hermeneutic methods.
(3) A weak understanding of the work of Christ and the purpose of the church.
I think I’ve hit my arbitrary word-limit for today, so I’ll have to expound upon these three tomorrow. Stay tuned for part two.
Maynard,
Thanks for expanding on my post. I appreciate your insights.
I think you missed the point on my comments about the OT. I’m not against the Old Testament, nor am I claiming that it’s not reconcilable with the New Testament or New Covenant.
I’m talking about charismatic groups that exist “to raise up David’s fallen tabernacle”–something Christ already did. I’m talking about scouting eBay for a shofar so one can call down the power of God. I’m talking about amplifying the passages on prosperity in the OT (to the detriment of talking about dying to self in the NT). I’m talking about trying to mimic the temple worship of Solomon’s day.
Those all miss the point. And charismatics, by and large, just ADORE that kind of stuff. It’s rife within the movement and most of it needs to go. Nine times out of ten it’s a distraction, and sometimes it turns into flat-out error. All denominations and Christian sects fall prey to this error in one way or another, but charismatics do so by the droves.
Dan,
I think we’re on the same page. I re-read that portion of your post and I do agree. I think I misrepresented you by disconnecting the explanation from the problem/solution summary. Sorry for that, but thanks for clarifying here. I don’t think you’re saying get back to the NT to the exclusion of the OT, but I’ve seen this approach as well, so I kind of jumped on that.
I like the series — it’s important to call attention to some of the systemic issues in the movement. It seems far too easy each time to say the fallout is an isolated event and ignore the fact there’s a pattern.
One of my wisest teachers said that the best commentary on the Old Testament is the New Testament. So I agree with Dan – the OT needs to be understood through the lens of the NT. There’s not much point in talking about, say, the priesthood without reading Hebrews and Peter on the subject – Christ is our High Priest, we are all a royal priesthood. There’s no point in talking about sacrifices without returning to the cross. There’s no point in talking about the temple without pointing to the resurrection.
In other words, all of scripture, old and new, points us relentlessly back to Jesus. Which I guess is Dan’s first point.
Hmm. I’ve not really moved in charismatic circles for a while, so I’m not familiar with your example of David’s Tabernacle. Certainly I agree that the scripture can’t mean now what it never meant then. But there’s a big difference in saying ‘we can understand Jesus better by understanding the Jewish context that he acted and spoke in’, and saying ‘we need to take on the yoke of the old covenant and live by it’s precepts.’
I guess we can fall down both on our exegesis – “what did the text mean to it’s original hearers?” and our hermeneutic – “how do we respond to the text?” I can understand, say, the Deuteronomy purity laws without then assuming that I’m under an obligation to abstain from shellfish. I’m not under that obligation, because I’m not a party to the OT covenant. (Actually, I’m antinomian to the extent that I don’t even take the 10 commandments as normative for the Christian, but that’s possibly drifting off-topic.)
Keep up the good work, I’m appreciating your commentary on all this.
Yes — the first thing is to understand what it meant then; our response comes later in the application of the word. In this case, you’re quite right about the purity laws (thankfully!). An understanding of why they were given and what God was getting at for that time will still give us a good indication of timeless principles… and in this area we find connections to Jesus. “An eye for an eye” in the OT was God’s injunction to let the punishment fit the crime and not go beyond it — he was saying they were to restrain themselves from blood vengeance in this area. Jesus comes along and says that what God’s heart really is would be for forgiveness… complete restraint from vengeance. They’re actually saying the same thing, but one can’t see that without understanding the original OT context first.
Oh wow. This is good. I harmonize with all of the perceived problems and solutions and have felt them deeply as a person serving as a part of a “Charismatic” church and a participant with the emerging conversation. This also really helps me understand a lot better what is meant by “post-charismatic”.
As far as the convo about interpreting OT/NT, I think it is important to say that the NT hearers had the Hebrew story in mind as they listened. Even if they were gentiles, one can assume that they were being immersed into the story that had in-formed NT writers (Paul, for example). This may seem like a common sense thing to say (or perhaps it falls into the rubric of “take an understanding of what the OT meant to its original hearers and then read the NT”), but the failure to make this correction has resulted many times in an a-contextual reading of the NT and its language (i.e., making it look more like a modern evangelical dialogue, leaving out the Hebrew savior and his language).
I was a leader in the charismatic thing for 20 years and I can tell you that it is not only in error but solely from Satan. On the first subject of lack of humility a better way to say this is suffering from spritual pride. This is the same spirit that killed Jesus in the day. This blind completely and causes the person to fall into the occult, not only a deviation form the faith, but the the wrong way on the other side. Every Charismatic leader that I know, is absorbed in themsleves and there small little body but would do nothing for them, simply mentally masturbate about all the new words they have received which have never changed anything looking back. These same people, will not have any time for you as they will be too absorbed in the false chosen elect attitude. This subject in enough to deal with…a true follower of Yeshua, will be humble and not all blown up on himself. Todd Bentley is a messenger form Satan and all his works are demonic.
I agree that the scripture can’t mean now what it never meant then. But there’s a big difference in saying ‘we can understand Jesus better by understanding the Jewish context that he acted and spoke in’, and saying ‘we need to take on the yoke of the old covenant and live by it’s precepts.’
I agree with your explaination about charistmatic, I will be aware now of joining any charismatic movement. we are about to organize a charistmatic group, but we have to postponed it for our protection from evil doer. thanks and GOD BLESS you always.