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		<title>By: Kingdom Leadership After Lakeland Part 2-Considering Various Sources … &#171; futuristguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingdom Leadership After Lakeland Part 2-Considering Various Sources … &#171; futuristguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 12 - Brother Maynard. Call it Apostolic Fallout. Reasons for reviewing previous cautionary warnings about dangers in the search for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ambles through Willow Creek’s Reveal Part 3 Addendum-Assessing Ministry in Emerging Cultures &#171; futuristguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambles through Willow Creek’s Reveal Part 3 Addendum-Assessing Ministry in Emerging Cultures &#171; futuristguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] August 12, 2008, Brother Maynard posted Call it Apostolic Fallout. There he dealt with the then-breaking news about the filing for separation from his wife by Todd [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i&#039;m glad for one that all my fuck ups aren&#039;t the subject of intense media speculation and blogging grandstanding :)

looks like poor old Bently has taken over where Ted Haggard let off and will continue to be the post church/charismatic bete noir at least until Mark Driscoll opines again and regains the no 1 whipping boy spot ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i&#8217;m glad for one that all my fuck ups aren&#8217;t the subject of intense media speculation and blogging grandstanding :)</p>
<p>looks like poor old Bently has taken over where Ted Haggard let off and will continue to be the post church/charismatic bete noir at least until Mark Driscoll opines again and regains the no 1 whipping boy spot ;)</p>
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		<title>By: In the Coracle &#187; &#187; Christ in [fill-in-the-blank] is the Hope of Glory (on Todd Bentley) &#187; &#8220;It&#8217;s almost like you&#8217;re writing a book one post at a time&#8221; - Kedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the Coracle &#187; &#187; Christ in [fill-in-the-blank] is the Hope of Glory (on Todd Bentley) &#187; &#8220;It&#8217;s almost like you&#8217;re writing a book one post at a time&#8221; - Kedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Call it Apostolic Fallout - Brother Maynard&#8217;s excellent summary, with a plethora of links [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Florida Revival / Lakeland Outpouring (3) &#171; Live well, love well, laugh well</title>
		<link>http://subversiveinfluence.com/2008/08/call-it-apostolic-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-445301</link>
		<dc:creator>Florida Revival / Lakeland Outpouring (3) &#171; Live well, love well, laugh well</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brother Maynard sees it as &#8220;apostolic fallout&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks... As I&#039;m not blogging for a couple of weeks (in respect for the oppressed Tibetans) I haven&#039;t been able to post my thoughts of the ongoing Lakeland story... so thanks for this, it very much reflects what I would have posted :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks&#8230; As I&#8217;m not blogging for a couple of weeks (in respect for the oppressed Tibetans) I haven&#8217;t been able to post my thoughts of the ongoing Lakeland story&#8230; so thanks for this, it very much reflects what I would have posted :)</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Bro ... what you&#039;re apparently saying about the power encounters is that if there&#039;s no relational context for dialogue to process potential transformation, then what happened turns into the equivalent of a &quot;drive-by God-grenade&quot; with no impact for life ...?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Bro &#8230; what you&#8217;re apparently saying about the power encounters is that if there&#8217;s no relational context for dialogue to process potential transformation, then what happened turns into the equivalent of a &#8220;drive-by God-grenade&#8221; with no impact for life &#8230;?!</p>
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		<title>By: Back to blogging, new classes and Friday link love &#171; truth to Tell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Back to blogging, new classes and Friday link love &#171; truth to Tell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Madrid-Swetman &amp; Bro. Maynard share their thoughts on the whole Todd Bentley [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brother Maynard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Maynard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I haven&#039;t been overly impressed with Mr. &quot;Tokin&#039; the Ghost&quot; either, but thanks for pointing out the differences... that&#039;s helpful.

Brad,
&quot;charismetrics&quot; -- I like that &lt;em&gt;;^)&lt;/em&gt; I think the power, as in &quot;Power Evangelism&quot; only has real effect to change lives when it has a relational context in the everyday.  That is, as a one-off power-bomb, it has only the transient power effect (which can blow people&#039;s circuits), but in the context of an ongoing everyday relationship &quot;in the neighbourhood,&quot; there is opportunity for dialogue before and after the &quot;power encounter,&quot; and it&#039;s the &lt;em&gt;dialogue&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;relationship&lt;/em&gt; that promotes the lasting change... the power is just a catalyst, nothing more.  The ongoing relationship contains the &quot;circuit upgrade.&quot;  I keep falling into these weird metaphors.

Barb,
Yeah, I think one of my links points to CPW&#039;s distancing ramble on the whole thing (different link, same content).  Grace&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://kingdomgrace.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/apostolic-bullshit/&quot; title=&quot;Apostolic Bullshit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Apostolic Bullshit&lt;/a&gt; post tackles this as well -- very nice (but tell us how you really feel!).

Glenn, Erin,
Thanks. And yes, this is a great illustration of why post-charismatics exist in the first place... and on the basis that their numbers are only increasing, it&#039;s very disappointing that Rob&#039;s book isn&#039;t being distributed directly in the USA.  As for the resurrection(s), one would think it&#039;d be hard to keep something like that below the radar if it was legit.  I don&#039;t think Jesus told Lazarus, &quot;Now, don&#039;t tell anybody...&quot; It was pretty spectacular, and marked the point when the Jews began wanting to kill Jesus.  Still, I do hope the Belfast outbreak isn&#039;t like and doesn&#039;t go the way of Lakeland.

J. Michael,
My thoughts also -- Edwards and others from the Great Awakening are good models, and also experienced many manifestations.  The literature doesn&#039;t actually say a whole lot about the manifestations, but you can find accounts of people falling, flailing, and crying out... followed by a kind of understated, &quot;I have hopes that they were soundly converted.&quot;  Take nothing for granted, and don&#039;t focus on the externals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I haven&#8217;t been overly impressed with Mr. &#8220;Tokin&#8217; the Ghost&#8221; either, but thanks for pointing out the differences&#8230; that&#8217;s helpful.</p>
<p>Brad,<br />
&#8220;charismetrics&#8221; &#8212; I like that <em>;^)</em> I think the power, as in &#8220;Power Evangelism&#8221; only has real effect to change lives when it has a relational context in the everyday.  That is, as a one-off power-bomb, it has only the transient power effect (which can blow people&#8217;s circuits), but in the context of an ongoing everyday relationship &#8220;in the neighbourhood,&#8221; there is opportunity for dialogue before and after the &#8220;power encounter,&#8221; and it&#8217;s the <em>dialogue</em> and <em>relationship</em> that promotes the lasting change&#8230; the power is just a catalyst, nothing more.  The ongoing relationship contains the &#8220;circuit upgrade.&#8221;  I keep falling into these weird metaphors.</p>
<p>Barb,<br />
Yeah, I think one of my links points to CPW&#8217;s distancing ramble on the whole thing (different link, same content).  Grace&#8217;s <a href="http://kingdomgrace.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/apostolic-bullshit/" title="Apostolic Bullshit" rel="nofollow">Apostolic Bullshit</a> post tackles this as well &#8212; very nice (but tell us how you really feel!).</p>
<p>Glenn, Erin,<br />
Thanks. And yes, this is a great illustration of why post-charismatics exist in the first place&#8230; and on the basis that their numbers are only increasing, it&#8217;s very disappointing that Rob&#8217;s book isn&#8217;t being distributed directly in the USA.  As for the resurrection(s), one would think it&#8217;d be hard to keep something like that below the radar if it was legit.  I don&#8217;t think Jesus told Lazarus, &#8220;Now, don&#8217;t tell anybody&#8230;&#8221; It was pretty spectacular, and marked the point when the Jews began wanting to kill Jesus.  Still, I do hope the Belfast outbreak isn&#8217;t like and doesn&#8217;t go the way of Lakeland.</p>
<p>J. Michael,<br />
My thoughts also &#8212; Edwards and others from the Great Awakening are good models, and also experienced many manifestations.  The literature doesn&#8217;t actually say a whole lot about the manifestations, but you can find accounts of people falling, flailing, and crying out&#8230; followed by a kind of understated, &#8220;I have hopes that they were soundly converted.&#8221;  Take nothing for granted, and don&#8217;t focus on the externals.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Michael Matkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Michael Matkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there was another fellow a while back, a guy who had some of that theology stuff. Seems that this fellow wrote a book about his experiences pastoring a church in the midst of this same kind of crazy revival atmosphere. This very fine book has a very cumbersome title, which is probably why busy charismatics don&#039;t bother much with it. It&#039;s called &lt;i&gt;A Treatise on Religious Affections&lt;/i&gt;, written by a thoughtful young pastor named Jonathan Edwards, and reading it would save many a soul from ruin (it did for this Pentecostal boy, at any rate). Is there a reason that we can&#039;t put a copy of &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; on all of those book tables? Other than that sober discernment isn&#039;t sexy enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there was another fellow a while back, a guy who had some of that theology stuff. Seems that this fellow wrote a book about his experiences pastoring a church in the midst of this same kind of crazy revival atmosphere. This very fine book has a very cumbersome title, which is probably why busy charismatics don&#8217;t bother much with it. It&#8217;s called <i>A Treatise on Religious Affections</i>, written by a thoughtful young pastor named Jonathan Edwards, and reading it would save many a soul from ruin (it did for this Pentecostal boy, at any rate). Is there a reason that we can&#8217;t put a copy of <i>that</i> on all of those book tables? Other than that sober discernment isn&#8217;t sexy enough?</p>
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